“He was just threatening to kill people,” Penny claimed in a preview of the interview, shared by Fox News on Tuesday, telling the network that’s what motivated him to come up from behind Neely and take him to the ground in a chokehold for several minutes. “I’m not a confrontational person,” Penny claims in the clip.

The applause and adulation Daniel Penny received from far-right figures only deepen the pain and highlight the racial fault lines in how America perceives justice and humanity.

The top manslaughter charge was dismissed on Friday in the 2023 death of Jordan Neely, leaving a negligent homicide charge remaining against Penny.